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Wednesday, January 24, 2001

Sir Henry Irving Courtenay

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:01 AM

> fname=Sean Og
> lname=McAteer
> address1=Norbrook Laboratories station Works Newry N.Ireland
> address2=

> city=Newry
> state=COUNTY DOWN
> zip=BT35 6JP

> seanogmcateer@norbrook.co.uk

> ancestor=Sir Henry Irving Courtenay

> comments=As far as we know Sir Henry Irving Courtenay was born in Newry he died in 1912 after that we know little, though someone thought he had founded a town in the US or Canada. We are currently engaged in erecting a Millennium monument to all those from Newry who went on to achieve greatness throughout the world and the NAME Sir Henry Irving Courtenay was suggested to us. If you can be of any help we would be very greatful.

> Many Thanks

> Sean og McAteer

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From: "S. Courtenay" scourt@erols.com
To: "Thatcher family" thatcher@rpa.net
Cc: "Courtenay Society" ; seanogmcateer@norbrook.co.uk
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Courtenay relatives (Civil War)

> Hello Tom, [cc: Sean Og McAteer, Courtenay Society]

> Thanks for your e-mail. Do you have any information about the Sir Henry
> Irving Courtenay (born Newry, died 1912) mentioned in the e-mail below (from
> Mr. McAteer, Newry)? I couldn't locate him in my database, although I
> haven't had a lot of time to research the name. Obviously he is directly
> descended from our Irish line.

> He must be Sir John Irving Courtenay, the SON of Edward HENRY Courtenay, as
> mentioned in the obituary notice below:

> Mr. McAteer must have the name wrong, as Sir John Irving Courtenay died in Oct., 1912.

> --------

> [Obituary notice - source unknown]

> COURTENAY - October 22, 1912 at 263a St.James Court, Buckingham Gate, Sir
> John Irving Courtenay, only son of the late Edward Henry Courtenay, late of
> Dublin, and Newry, Co. Down.


> [Note by Crossle:]

> John Irving Courtenay, Sir, a barrister and a prominent figure in the
> city of London. He is Chairman of the City Liberal Association. Was given a
> Knighthood on the occasion of the King's Birthday Nov. 1907. [Vieled
> Uiele?] Irish [Times?] 9 Nov, 1907.

> Best regards,
> St. John

> ----------See TEXT HITS on ***IRVING*** below:

> Edward Henry COURTENAY [8th name on stone] was born about 1804. Died on 3
> Jun 1872 in Dublin, Ireland (at residence 28 Burlington Road). Died age 67.
> He married Charlotte Jane HARRIET on 29 Oct 1835 in Cheltenham. Charlotte
> Jane HARRIET was born about 1811. Died on 9 Jan 1898 in Dublin, Ireland.

> They had the following children:
> +165 i. Charlotte Mary COURTENAY
> 166 ii. Agnes Anna COURTENAY was born in Cheltenham. Unmarried.
> 167 iii. John ***IRVING*** COURTENAY was born about 1837. Died. Died
> unmarried.
> +168 iv. Jane Adelaide Courtenay COURTENAY

> ------------------
> The first letter from Crossle, shown below, includes a transcription in
> Crossle's own hand of a letter Crossle had in his possession from Hon. Rev.
> Henry H. Courtenay to Mr. John ***IRVING*** Courtenay, of London. This
> transcribed letter from Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay appears to document the
> Newry, Ireland Courtenay line as being descended from Francis Courtenay m.

> 2nd Elizabeth Seymour.

> ----------------------

> 1905 letter from Philip Crossle to William Ashmead Courtenay:

> 11 Trevor Hill, Newry

> Co Down.

> 12 Feb. 1905

> Dear Mr. Courtenay

> I have received the enclosed (which is a copy) from a mutual friend.

> You will see it is a letter from the Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay to Mr. John

> ***Irving*** Courtenay of London, and is an acknowledgement of the relationship which exists between your branch with the parent stem at Powderham, and from which you see you are 28th in descent from the 1st English Courtenay.

I do not know if the Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay has altered his opinion since writing his letter of 18 Oct. 1904, but if not his acknowledgement of the connection, I take as a compliment to myself that my deductions are correct.

 I hope that your health keeps well, and that you do not find the winter too severe on your side of the world.

> Yours sincerely,
> Philip Crossle



> Hon. Wm. A. Courtenay

> Newry. U.S.A.

> P.T.O.

> ----------------

>

> #26 1. Charles Henry Courtenay m. Mary Henry

> b. 1770, d. 1809 d. 1852, aged 66

> Owned the brewery in Ballybot

>

> 1a. Their son Edward Henry Courtenay m. Charlotte J. H.

> ***Irving***

> b. 1807, and was the father of

> Sir John ***Irving*** Courtenay (Knighted 1907)

> (Nephew of CHC, Edward Thomas C. of

> Savannah, GA, rec'd legacy from CHC)

> ----------------

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Thatcher family"

> To: "georule"

> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 6:03 PM

> Subject: Courtenay relatives (Civil War)
>

> > Hi St. John,

> > Geo and his wife are writing an article about Civil War sabotage and are
> > interested in Thomas Edgeworth Courtenay. I think you can probably help
> > them more on this particular query than I can.

> >

> > Hi Geo,

> > The short answer is no. The T. E. Courtenay in the LA cavalry is almost

> > certainly not him. If he had enlisted in a regular unit anywhere, it most

> > likely would have been in Mississippi, where his brother, William Forrest

> > Courtenay, had been appointed aide-de-camp to the Commander in Chief of

> the

> > Mississippi Militia in 1846 (2 years before his death in 1848).

> >

> > Thomas Edgeworth's only close family in America were his brother William

> > (who died in 1848) and his brother Charles, who went to California with

> the '49ers. However, he had more distant cousins in America who shared a

> common ancestor, Edward Courtenay "of Lisk" in Ireland. The most prominent was

> > probably William Ashmead Courtenay, who was a Confederate Officer and

> later Mayor of Charleston, S.C. TEC and WAC knew each other and there is one

> > letter from WAC to TEC (written after the war).

> >

> > I am forwarding your letter to St. John Courtenay, who is descended from

> > William Ashmead and is also one of the corresponding secretaries in the

> U.S.

> > for the Courtenay Society. He is in a better position than I to either

> tell

> > you about the men you mention, or to put in you touch with their

> > descendants, if possible. St. John's web site is

> > and can also be reached from the links

> > section of my web site.

> >

> > One of the resources on his web site is a book of genealogical research

> > compiled by an Irish researcher in 1910 at the behest of William Ashmead.

> > This book can be downloaded as a pdf (Acrobat) file. St. John has added

> > several appendices to the book including information about William Ashmead

> > and a transcription of a memorial marker put up to several of William

> > Ashmead's relatives who served in the Confederacy. I have taken the

> liberty

> > of extracting the appendix as a separate (and therefore much smaller) pdf

> > file, which I am mailing separately. You can download the entire file

> from

> > his web site. He also has links to other Courtenay family members,

> history,

> > and other info.

> >

> > Tom

> >

> > > Tom--

> > >

> > > Questions from my wife on some of your possible kin. . .

> > >

> > > Geo

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From:

> > > To:

> > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2026 12:28 AM

> > > Subject: Courtenay

> > >

> > >

> > >> These are the questions I wanted to send the Courtenay family, could

> you

> > > send them on to them?:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Are these people relatives of Thomas E. Courtenay?

> > >>

> > >> All in Louisville, Kentucky, Jefferson County:

> > >>

> > >> Robert Graham Courtenay married to Annie Christian Howard

> > >> 13 Oct 1842

> > >>

> > >> their children;

> > >>

> > >> Julia Christian Courtenay born 8 Jan 1844

> > >> Henry Courtenay born 10 Jan 1846

> > >> Robert Martin Courtenay born 28 Nov 1848

> > >> Thomas Anderson Courtenay born 20 June 1850

> > >> Helen Martin Courtenay born 12 Nov 1852

> > >> Emma Courtenay born 25 Aug 1854

> > >> Lewis Rogers Courtnay born 23 May 1857

> > >> William Howard Courtenay born 30 July 1858

> > >>

> > >> The 1890 Louisville City Directory shows; Annie C. Courtenay, widow

> Robert

> > > G.; and Lewis R. Courtenay ;T. A. Courtenay;William H. Courtenay; and L.

> R.

> > > Courtenay;.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> During the Civil War, are any of these relatives?

> > >>

> > >> Corp. Henson Courtenay, 1st Missouri Cav.

> > >>

> > >> Capt. John C. Courtenay, Co. B 7th Missouri Inf.

> > >>

> > >> and, is T. E. Courtenay, Robinson's Co. 1 Louisiana Cavalry, the Thomas

> > > Edgeworth Courtenay we're talking about?

> > --

> > Tom Thatcher

> > thatcher@rpa.net

> >

> >

>



Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 6:35 AM



> fname=Sean Og

> lname=McAteer

> address1=Norbrook Laboratories

> address2=Station Works

> city=Newry

> state=Co. Down

> zip=BT35 6JP

> seanogmcateer@norbrook.co.uk

> ancestor=Courtenays of Newry usa

> comments=Thank you very much for your original mail, it has been a help to me, now that i have got the Sir John Irving Courtenay, I am very interested in the Courtenays who left Newry and settlrd at Charleston in 1791. My interest is further heightened by the letter from Philip Crossle to WM.A. Courtenay at an address Newry. USA. One of the lines I was working on was that a brach of the Courtenay family originally from Newry in Ireland founded a town called Newry in the USA. Could this be possible. Iwould be very greatful if you can help as I would like to recognise the role of the Courtenay family in Newry, i do have details of their burial stone in St. Patrisk's churchyard in Newry but i would love to know more of the American connection.



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----- Original Message -----

From: "S. Courtenay"



To:



Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:54 AM



Subject: Newry, Ireland Courtenay connections



> Dear Mr. McAteer,

> My great grandfather was William Ashmead Courtenay. After the Civil War, he

> was elected Mayor of Charleston for two terms, and he also founded a small

> mill town in South Carolina (near Clemson University) that he named Newry

> (1893), after the sister city of Newry, Ireland. Two brothers, Edward and

> John Courtenay, left Newry, Ireland and landed in Charleston, South Carolina

> in 1791. I am a direct descendant of Edward Courtenay, and another surviving

> Courtenay line is descended from John. The brother, John Courtenay, settled

> in Savannah, Georgia.

>

> I met two officials from Newry, Ireland in 1993 who were at Newry, SC for

> the centennial celebration (the Chairman of the Newry District Council, Mr.

> P.J Bradley and Mr. Raymond Turley). Most of this is old news and many

> details can be gleaned from the PDF and html files on my web site. In

> particular, I suggest you download the Crossle PDF document and look at the

> appendix sections. Is there any particular information you need that is not

> posted on the web site?

>

> I have details of the St. Patricks burial stone posted on my web page as a

> PDF file: see the Adobe PDF files listed at

> http://webcom.com/~scourt/fhweb.htm

>

> I was working from a photograph of the stone taken a few years ago. If you

> can shed any additional light on missed text or make any corrections to what

> I have, I would be most appreciative.

>

> It is most interesting to make a contact in Newry. I will be glad to help

> you further if I can.

>

> Best regards,

> S. Courtenay
> The Courtenay Society (USA Branch)