fname=Joe
lname=Courtenay Wheller
address1=ACN, Tecasin Business Centre, 243 Hoang Van Thu Street
address2=
city=Ho Chi Minh City
state=Vietnam
zip=xxx
joew@acnielsen.com
ancestor=Any
comments=This query is perhaps too general, but maybe somebody is aware of a solution.
Courtenay has been my family's middle name for generations, always alongside Wheller (but without a hyphen).
The Wheller family was from Devon, though now spread around UK.
The family explanation (or perhaps myth) has been that many generations ago one of the Courtenays was a little wayward with the domestic help. This led to an illegitimate birth. Given the social system of the time, the mother was not able to legitimise the child but instead inserted the Courtenay name into the family name as an ongoing reminder.
A fanciful family legend? Quite possibly. But I would be interested to know if anyone was aware of whether such namings in such circumstances were common practice or even perhaps if there was a more 'legitimate' connection between the Courtenays and Whellers in times gone past.
Thanks for your help,
Best regards
Joe
Please send all requests for Courtenay related information to the email address above.
Tuesday, November 25, 2003
Tuesday, October 29, 2002
Daughter of Earl - married sea captain circa 1775
fname=Edith
lname=Close-Vaziri
address1=12712 Byron Ave.
address2=
city=Granada Hills
state=Calif.
zip=91344
closevaziri@yahoo.com
ancestor=? daughter of earl married sea captain circa 1775
comments=My great,great grandmother Elizabeth Sarah Courtney Harris is said to have been the granddaughter of a daughter of the Earl of Devon. This daughter is said to have been disowned by her father when she married a sea captain. The sea captain's name could have been Harris as Elizabeth's father was Edward Harris. Elizabeth was born in Exmouth. At this point I do not have any exact dates. She could have been born about 1820 as her husband Daniel Close was born in 1817.
lname=Close-Vaziri
address1=12712 Byron Ave.
address2=
city=Granada Hills
state=Calif.
zip=91344
closevaziri@yahoo.com
ancestor=? daughter of earl married sea captain circa 1775
comments=My great,great grandmother Elizabeth Sarah Courtney Harris is said to have been the granddaughter of a daughter of the Earl of Devon. This daughter is said to have been disowned by her father when she married a sea captain. The sea captain's name could have been Harris as Elizabeth's father was Edward Harris. Elizabeth was born in Exmouth. At this point I do not have any exact dates. She could have been born about 1820 as her husband Daniel Close was born in 1817.
Wednesday, January 24, 2001
Sir Henry Irving Courtenay
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:01 AM
> fname=Sean Og
> lname=McAteer
> address1=Norbrook Laboratories station Works Newry N.Ireland
> address2=
> city=Newry
> state=COUNTY DOWN
> zip=BT35 6JP
> seanogmcateer@norbrook.co.uk
> ancestor=Sir Henry Irving Courtenay
> comments=As far as we know Sir Henry Irving Courtenay was born in Newry he died in 1912 after that we know little, though someone thought he had founded a town in the US or Canada. We are currently engaged in erecting a Millennium monument to all those from Newry who went on to achieve greatness throughout the world and the NAME Sir Henry Irving Courtenay was suggested to us. If you can be of any help we would be very greatful.
> Many Thanks
> Sean og McAteer
REPLY FOLLOWS:
From: "S. Courtenay" scourt@erols.com
To: "Thatcher family" thatcher@rpa.net
Cc: "Courtenay Society"; seanogmcateer@norbrook.co.uk
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Courtenay relatives (Civil War)
> Hello Tom, [cc: Sean Og McAteer, Courtenay Society]
> Thanks for your e-mail. Do you have any information about the Sir Henry
> Irving Courtenay (born Newry, died 1912) mentioned in the e-mail below (from
> Mr. McAteer, Newry)? I couldn't locate him in my database, although I
> haven't had a lot of time to research the name. Obviously he is directly
> descended from our Irish line.
> He must be Sir John Irving Courtenay, the SON of Edward HENRY Courtenay, as
> mentioned in the obituary notice below:
> Mr. McAteer must have the name wrong, as Sir John Irving Courtenay died in Oct., 1912.
> --------
> [Obituary notice - source unknown]
> COURTENAY - October 22, 1912 at 263a St.James Court, Buckingham Gate, Sir
> John Irving Courtenay, only son of the late Edward Henry Courtenay, late of
> Dublin, and Newry, Co. Down.
> [Note by Crossle:]
> John Irving Courtenay, Sir, a barrister and a prominent figure in the
> city of London. He is Chairman of the City Liberal Association. Was given a
> Knighthood on the occasion of the King's Birthday Nov. 1907. [Vieled
> Uiele?] Irish [Times?] 9 Nov, 1907.
> Best regards,
> St. John
> ----------See TEXT HITS on ***IRVING*** below:
> Edward Henry COURTENAY [8th name on stone] was born about 1804. Died on 3
> Jun 1872 in Dublin, Ireland (at residence 28 Burlington Road). Died age 67.
> He married Charlotte Jane HARRIET on 29 Oct 1835 in Cheltenham. Charlotte
> Jane HARRIET was born about 1811. Died on 9 Jan 1898 in Dublin, Ireland.
> They had the following children:
> +165 i. Charlotte Mary COURTENAY
> 166 ii. Agnes Anna COURTENAY was born in Cheltenham. Unmarried.
> 167 iii. John ***IRVING*** COURTENAY was born about 1837. Died. Died
> unmarried.
> +168 iv. Jane Adelaide Courtenay COURTENAY
> ------------------
> The first letter from Crossle, shown below, includes a transcription in
> Crossle's own hand of a letter Crossle had in his possession from Hon. Rev.
> Henry H. Courtenay to Mr. John ***IRVING*** Courtenay, of London. This
> transcribed letter from Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay appears to document the
> Newry, Ireland Courtenay line as being descended from Francis Courtenay m.
> 2nd Elizabeth Seymour.
> ----------------------
> 1905 letter from Philip Crossle to William Ashmead Courtenay:
> 11 Trevor Hill, Newry
> Co Down.
> 12 Feb. 1905
> Dear Mr. Courtenay
> I have received the enclosed (which is a copy) from a mutual friend.
> You will see it is a letter from the Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay to Mr. John
> ***Irving*** Courtenay of London, and is an acknowledgement of the relationship which exists between your branch with the parent stem at Powderham, and from which you see you are 28th in descent from the 1st English Courtenay.
I do not know if the Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay has altered his opinion since writing his letter of 18 Oct. 1904, but if not his acknowledgement of the connection, I take as a compliment to myself that my deductions are correct.
I hope that your health keeps well, and that you do not find the winter too severe on your side of the world.
> Yours sincerely,
> Philip Crossle
> Hon. Wm. A. Courtenay
> Newry. U.S.A.
> P.T.O.
> ----------------
>
> #26 1. Charles Henry Courtenay m. Mary Henry
> b. 1770, d. 1809 d. 1852, aged 66
> Owned the brewery in Ballybot
>
> 1a. Their son Edward Henry Courtenay m. Charlotte J. H.
> ***Irving***
> b. 1807, and was the father of
> Sir John ***Irving*** Courtenay (Knighted 1907)
> (Nephew of CHC, Edward Thomas C. of
> Savannah, GA, rec'd legacy from CHC)
> ----------------
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thatcher family"
> To: "georule"
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 6:03 PM
> Subject: Courtenay relatives (Civil War)
>
> > Hi St. John,
> > Geo and his wife are writing an article about Civil War sabotage and are
> > interested in Thomas Edgeworth Courtenay. I think you can probably help
> > them more on this particular query than I can.
> >
> > Hi Geo,
> > The short answer is no. The T. E. Courtenay in the LA cavalry is almost
> > certainly not him. If he had enlisted in a regular unit anywhere, it most
> > likely would have been in Mississippi, where his brother, William Forrest
> > Courtenay, had been appointed aide-de-camp to the Commander in Chief of
> the
> > Mississippi Militia in 1846 (2 years before his death in 1848).
> >
> > Thomas Edgeworth's only close family in America were his brother William
> > (who died in 1848) and his brother Charles, who went to California with
> the '49ers. However, he had more distant cousins in America who shared a
> common ancestor, Edward Courtenay "of Lisk" in Ireland. The most prominent was
> > probably William Ashmead Courtenay, who was a Confederate Officer and
> later Mayor of Charleston, S.C. TEC and WAC knew each other and there is one
> > letter from WAC to TEC (written after the war).
> >
> > I am forwarding your letter to St. John Courtenay, who is descended from
> > William Ashmead and is also one of the corresponding secretaries in the
> U.S.
> > for the Courtenay Society. He is in a better position than I to either
> tell
> > you about the men you mention, or to put in you touch with their
> > descendants, if possible. St. John's web site is
> >and can also be reached from the links
> > section of my web site.
> >
> > One of the resources on his web site is a book of genealogical research
> > compiled by an Irish researcher in 1910 at the behest of William Ashmead.
> > This book can be downloaded as a pdf (Acrobat) file. St. John has added
> > several appendices to the book including information about William Ashmead
> > and a transcription of a memorial marker put up to several of William
> > Ashmead's relatives who served in the Confederacy. I have taken the
> liberty
> > of extracting the appendix as a separate (and therefore much smaller) pdf
> > file, which I am mailing separately. You can download the entire file
> from
> > his web site. He also has links to other Courtenay family members,
> history,
> > and other info.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > > Tom--
> > >
> > > Questions from my wife on some of your possible kin. . .
> > >
> > > Geo
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2026 12:28 AM
> > > Subject: Courtenay
> > >
> > >
> > >> These are the questions I wanted to send the Courtenay family, could
> you
> > > send them on to them?:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Are these people relatives of Thomas E. Courtenay?
> > >>
> > >> All in Louisville, Kentucky, Jefferson County:
> > >>
> > >> Robert Graham Courtenay married to Annie Christian Howard
> > >> 13 Oct 1842
> > >>
> > >> their children;
> > >>
> > >> Julia Christian Courtenay born 8 Jan 1844
> > >> Henry Courtenay born 10 Jan 1846
> > >> Robert Martin Courtenay born 28 Nov 1848
> > >> Thomas Anderson Courtenay born 20 June 1850
> > >> Helen Martin Courtenay born 12 Nov 1852
> > >> Emma Courtenay born 25 Aug 1854
> > >> Lewis Rogers Courtnay born 23 May 1857
> > >> William Howard Courtenay born 30 July 1858
> > >>
> > >> The 1890 Louisville City Directory shows; Annie C. Courtenay, widow
> Robert
> > > G.; and Lewis R. Courtenay ;T. A. Courtenay;William H. Courtenay; and L.
> R.
> > > Courtenay;.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> During the Civil War, are any of these relatives?
> > >>
> > >> Corp. Henson Courtenay, 1st Missouri Cav.
> > >>
> > >> Capt. John C. Courtenay, Co. B 7th Missouri Inf.
> > >>
> > >> and, is T. E. Courtenay, Robinson's Co. 1 Louisiana Cavalry, the Thomas
> > > Edgeworth Courtenay we're talking about?
> > --
> > Tom Thatcher
> > thatcher@rpa.net
> >
> >
>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 6:35 AM
> fname=Sean Og
> lname=McAteer
> address1=Norbrook Laboratories
> address2=Station Works
> city=Newry
> state=Co. Down
> zip=BT35 6JP
> seanogmcateer@norbrook.co.uk
> ancestor=Courtenays of Newry usa
> comments=Thank you very much for your original mail, it has been a help to me, now that i have got the Sir John Irving Courtenay, I am very interested in the Courtenays who left Newry and settlrd at Charleston in 1791. My interest is further heightened by the letter from Philip Crossle to WM.A. Courtenay at an address Newry. USA. One of the lines I was working on was that a brach of the Courtenay family originally from Newry in Ireland founded a town called Newry in the USA. Could this be possible. Iwould be very greatful if you can help as I would like to recognise the role of the Courtenay family in Newry, i do have details of their burial stone in St. Patrisk's churchyard in Newry but i would love to know more of the American connection.
REPLY FOLLOWS:
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Courtenay"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:54 AM
Subject: Newry, Ireland Courtenay connections
> Dear Mr. McAteer,
> My great grandfather was William Ashmead Courtenay. After the Civil War, he
> was elected Mayor of Charleston for two terms, and he also founded a small
> mill town in South Carolina (near Clemson University) that he named Newry
> (1893), after the sister city of Newry, Ireland. Two brothers, Edward and
> John Courtenay, left Newry, Ireland and landed in Charleston, South Carolina
> in 1791. I am a direct descendant of Edward Courtenay, and another surviving
> Courtenay line is descended from John. The brother, John Courtenay, settled
> in Savannah, Georgia.
>
> I met two officials from Newry, Ireland in 1993 who were at Newry, SC for
> the centennial celebration (the Chairman of the Newry District Council, Mr.
> P.J Bradley and Mr. Raymond Turley). Most of this is old news and many
> details can be gleaned from the PDF and html files on my web site. In
> particular, I suggest you download the Crossle PDF document and look at the
> appendix sections. Is there any particular information you need that is not
> posted on the web site?
>
> I have details of the St. Patricks burial stone posted on my web page as a
> PDF file: see the Adobe PDF files listed at
> http://webcom.com/~scourt/fhweb.htm
>
> I was working from a photograph of the stone taken a few years ago. If you
> can shed any additional light on missed text or make any corrections to what
> I have, I would be most appreciative.
>
> It is most interesting to make a contact in Newry. I will be glad to help
> you further if I can.
>
> Best regards,
> S. Courtenay
> The Courtenay Society (USA Branch)
> fname=Sean Og
> lname=McAteer
> address1=Norbrook Laboratories station Works Newry N.Ireland
> address2=
> city=Newry
> state=COUNTY DOWN
> zip=BT35 6JP
> seanogmcateer@norbrook.co.uk
> ancestor=Sir Henry Irving Courtenay
> comments=As far as we know Sir Henry Irving Courtenay was born in Newry he died in 1912 after that we know little, though someone thought he had founded a town in the US or Canada. We are currently engaged in erecting a Millennium monument to all those from Newry who went on to achieve greatness throughout the world and the NAME Sir Henry Irving Courtenay was suggested to us. If you can be of any help we would be very greatful.
> Many Thanks
> Sean og McAteer
REPLY FOLLOWS:
From: "S. Courtenay" scourt@erols.com
To: "Thatcher family" thatcher@rpa.net
Cc: "Courtenay Society"
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Courtenay relatives (Civil War)
> Hello Tom, [cc: Sean Og McAteer, Courtenay Society]
> Thanks for your e-mail. Do you have any information about the Sir Henry
> Irving Courtenay (born Newry, died 1912) mentioned in the e-mail below (from
> Mr. McAteer, Newry)? I couldn't locate him in my database, although I
> haven't had a lot of time to research the name. Obviously he is directly
> descended from our Irish line.
> He must be Sir John Irving Courtenay, the SON of Edward HENRY Courtenay, as
> mentioned in the obituary notice below:
> Mr. McAteer must have the name wrong, as Sir John Irving Courtenay died in Oct., 1912.
> --------
> [Obituary notice - source unknown]
> COURTENAY - October 22, 1912 at 263a St.James Court, Buckingham Gate, Sir
> John Irving Courtenay, only son of the late Edward Henry Courtenay, late of
> Dublin, and Newry, Co. Down.
> [Note by Crossle:]
> John Irving Courtenay, Sir, a barrister and a prominent figure in the
> city of London. He is Chairman of the City Liberal Association. Was given a
> Knighthood on the occasion of the King's Birthday Nov. 1907. [Vieled
> Uiele?] Irish [Times?] 9 Nov, 1907.
> Best regards,
> St. John
> ----------See TEXT HITS on ***IRVING*** below:
> Edward Henry COURTENAY [8th name on stone] was born about 1804. Died on 3
> Jun 1872 in Dublin, Ireland (at residence 28 Burlington Road). Died age 67.
> He married Charlotte Jane HARRIET on 29 Oct 1835 in Cheltenham. Charlotte
> Jane HARRIET was born about 1811. Died on 9 Jan 1898 in Dublin, Ireland.
> They had the following children:
> +165 i. Charlotte Mary COURTENAY
> 166 ii. Agnes Anna COURTENAY was born in Cheltenham. Unmarried.
> 167 iii. John ***IRVING*** COURTENAY was born about 1837. Died. Died
> unmarried.
> +168 iv. Jane Adelaide Courtenay COURTENAY
> ------------------
> The first letter from Crossle, shown below, includes a transcription in
> Crossle's own hand of a letter Crossle had in his possession from Hon. Rev.
> Henry H. Courtenay to Mr. John ***IRVING*** Courtenay, of London. This
> transcribed letter from Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay appears to document the
> Newry, Ireland Courtenay line as being descended from Francis Courtenay m.
> 2nd Elizabeth Seymour.
> ----------------------
> 1905 letter from Philip Crossle to William Ashmead Courtenay:
> 11 Trevor Hill, Newry
> Co Down.
> 12 Feb. 1905
> Dear Mr. Courtenay
> I have received the enclosed (which is a copy) from a mutual friend.
> You will see it is a letter from the Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay to Mr. John
> ***Irving*** Courtenay of London, and is an acknowledgement of the relationship which exists between your branch with the parent stem at Powderham, and from which you see you are 28th in descent from the 1st English Courtenay.
I do not know if the Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay has altered his opinion since writing his letter of 18 Oct. 1904, but if not his acknowledgement of the connection, I take as a compliment to myself that my deductions are correct.
I hope that your health keeps well, and that you do not find the winter too severe on your side of the world.
> Yours sincerely,
> Philip Crossle
> Hon. Wm. A. Courtenay
> Newry. U.S.A.
> P.T.O.
> ----------------
>
> #26 1. Charles Henry Courtenay m. Mary Henry
> b. 1770, d. 1809 d. 1852, aged 66
> Owned the brewery in Ballybot
>
> 1a. Their son Edward Henry Courtenay m. Charlotte J. H.
> ***Irving***
> b. 1807, and was the father of
> Sir John ***Irving*** Courtenay (Knighted 1907)
> (Nephew of CHC, Edward Thomas C. of
> Savannah, GA, rec'd legacy from CHC)
> ----------------
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thatcher family"
> To: "georule"
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 6:03 PM
> Subject: Courtenay relatives (Civil War)
>
> > Hi St. John,
> > Geo and his wife are writing an article about Civil War sabotage and are
> > interested in Thomas Edgeworth Courtenay. I think you can probably help
> > them more on this particular query than I can.
> >
> > Hi Geo,
> > The short answer is no. The T. E. Courtenay in the LA cavalry is almost
> > certainly not him. If he had enlisted in a regular unit anywhere, it most
> > likely would have been in Mississippi, where his brother, William Forrest
> > Courtenay, had been appointed aide-de-camp to the Commander in Chief of
> the
> > Mississippi Militia in 1846 (2 years before his death in 1848).
> >
> > Thomas Edgeworth's only close family in America were his brother William
> > (who died in 1848) and his brother Charles, who went to California with
> the '49ers. However, he had more distant cousins in America who shared a
> common ancestor, Edward Courtenay "of Lisk" in Ireland. The most prominent was
> > probably William Ashmead Courtenay, who was a Confederate Officer and
> later Mayor of Charleston, S.C. TEC and WAC knew each other and there is one
> > letter from WAC to TEC (written after the war).
> >
> > I am forwarding your letter to St. John Courtenay, who is descended from
> > William Ashmead and is also one of the corresponding secretaries in the
> U.S.
> > for the Courtenay Society. He is in a better position than I to either
> tell
> > you about the men you mention, or to put in you touch with their
> > descendants, if possible. St. John's web site is
> >
> > section of my web site.
> >
> > One of the resources on his web site is a book of genealogical research
> > compiled by an Irish researcher in 1910 at the behest of William Ashmead.
> > This book can be downloaded as a pdf (Acrobat) file. St. John has added
> > several appendices to the book including information about William Ashmead
> > and a transcription of a memorial marker put up to several of William
> > Ashmead's relatives who served in the Confederacy. I have taken the
> liberty
> > of extracting the appendix as a separate (and therefore much smaller) pdf
> > file, which I am mailing separately. You can download the entire file
> from
> > his web site. He also has links to other Courtenay family members,
> history,
> > and other info.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > > Tom--
> > >
> > > Questions from my wife on some of your possible kin. . .
> > >
> > > Geo
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2026 12:28 AM
> > > Subject: Courtenay
> > >
> > >
> > >> These are the questions I wanted to send the Courtenay family, could
> you
> > > send them on to them?:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Are these people relatives of Thomas E. Courtenay?
> > >>
> > >> All in Louisville, Kentucky, Jefferson County:
> > >>
> > >> Robert Graham Courtenay married to Annie Christian Howard
> > >> 13 Oct 1842
> > >>
> > >> their children;
> > >>
> > >> Julia Christian Courtenay born 8 Jan 1844
> > >> Henry Courtenay born 10 Jan 1846
> > >> Robert Martin Courtenay born 28 Nov 1848
> > >> Thomas Anderson Courtenay born 20 June 1850
> > >> Helen Martin Courtenay born 12 Nov 1852
> > >> Emma Courtenay born 25 Aug 1854
> > >> Lewis Rogers Courtnay born 23 May 1857
> > >> William Howard Courtenay born 30 July 1858
> > >>
> > >> The 1890 Louisville City Directory shows; Annie C. Courtenay, widow
> Robert
> > > G.; and Lewis R. Courtenay ;T. A. Courtenay;William H. Courtenay; and L.
> R.
> > > Courtenay;.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> During the Civil War, are any of these relatives?
> > >>
> > >> Corp. Henson Courtenay, 1st Missouri Cav.
> > >>
> > >> Capt. John C. Courtenay, Co. B 7th Missouri Inf.
> > >>
> > >> and, is T. E. Courtenay, Robinson's Co. 1 Louisiana Cavalry, the Thomas
> > > Edgeworth Courtenay we're talking about?
> > --
> > Tom Thatcher
> > thatcher@rpa.net
> >
> >
>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 6:35 AM
> fname=Sean Og
> lname=McAteer
> address1=Norbrook Laboratories
> address2=Station Works
> city=Newry
> state=Co. Down
> zip=BT35 6JP
> seanogmcateer@norbrook.co.uk
> ancestor=Courtenays of Newry usa
> comments=Thank you very much for your original mail, it has been a help to me, now that i have got the Sir John Irving Courtenay, I am very interested in the Courtenays who left Newry and settlrd at Charleston in 1791. My interest is further heightened by the letter from Philip Crossle to WM.A. Courtenay at an address Newry. USA. One of the lines I was working on was that a brach of the Courtenay family originally from Newry in Ireland founded a town called Newry in the USA. Could this be possible. Iwould be very greatful if you can help as I would like to recognise the role of the Courtenay family in Newry, i do have details of their burial stone in St. Patrisk's churchyard in Newry but i would love to know more of the American connection.
REPLY FOLLOWS:
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Courtenay"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:54 AM
Subject: Newry, Ireland Courtenay connections
> Dear Mr. McAteer,
> My great grandfather was William Ashmead Courtenay. After the Civil War, he
> was elected Mayor of Charleston for two terms, and he also founded a small
> mill town in South Carolina (near Clemson University) that he named Newry
> (1893), after the sister city of Newry, Ireland. Two brothers, Edward and
> John Courtenay, left Newry, Ireland and landed in Charleston, South Carolina
> in 1791. I am a direct descendant of Edward Courtenay, and another surviving
> Courtenay line is descended from John. The brother, John Courtenay, settled
> in Savannah, Georgia.
>
> I met two officials from Newry, Ireland in 1993 who were at Newry, SC for
> the centennial celebration (the Chairman of the Newry District Council, Mr.
> P.J Bradley and Mr. Raymond Turley). Most of this is old news and many
> details can be gleaned from the PDF and html files on my web site. In
> particular, I suggest you download the Crossle PDF document and look at the
> appendix sections. Is there any particular information you need that is not
> posted on the web site?
>
> I have details of the St. Patricks burial stone posted on my web page as a
> PDF file: see the Adobe PDF files listed at
> http://webcom.com/~scourt/fhweb.htm
>
> I was working from a photograph of the stone taken a few years ago. If you
> can shed any additional light on missed text or make any corrections to what
> I have, I would be most appreciative.
>
> It is most interesting to make a contact in Newry. I will be glad to help
> you further if I can.
>
> Best regards,
> S. Courtenay
> The Courtenay Society (USA Branch)
Friday, August 11, 2000
John Courtenay of Lisburn, County Antrim (Ireland), b. 1678; married to Mary Savage
Submitted Friday, August 11, 2000 2:49 PM
> fname=LARRY
> lname=COURTNEY
> address1=391 COLONY DRIVE
> address2=
> city=VESAILLES
> state=KY
> zip=40383-9574
> Larcour@cs.com
ancestor=John Courtenay born 1678; married to Mary Savage
comments=John Courtenay was known as John of Lisburn, County Antrim. He was married to Mary Savage. They had seven children. Their last son was John also. Could have been John Francis. I find much info about their other children, Hercules, Savage, Anne, Edward, Rowland, and Catherine, but nothing about John.
I believe this John is my ancestor, per family records in Ireland. But can't find anything about him or his wife and children. Believe he lived in Cloughanduff townland in Templepatrick, Antrim.
Any info on him or his family or siblings might offer a clue to him.
> fname=LARRY
> lname=COURTNEY
> address1=391 COLONY DRIVE
> address2=
> city=VESAILLES
> state=KY
> zip=40383-9574
> Larcour@cs.com
ancestor=John Courtenay born 1678; married to Mary Savage
comments=John Courtenay was known as John of Lisburn, County Antrim. He was married to Mary Savage. They had seven children. Their last son was John also. Could have been John Francis. I find much info about their other children, Hercules, Savage, Anne, Edward, Rowland, and Catherine, but nothing about John.
I believe this John is my ancestor, per family records in Ireland. But can't find anything about him or his wife and children. Believe he lived in Cloughanduff townland in Templepatrick, Antrim.
Any info on him or his family or siblings might offer a clue to him.
Saturday, February 20, 1999
Isabelle de Courtenay, daughter of Sir Hugh de Courtenay (l248-l29l) and his wife,Eleanor le Despencer (l240-l328)
At 1141 AM 2/20/99 -0800, you wrote
>fname=Walter Courtney
>lname=Burgner
>address1=2005 Ann Way Drive
>address2=
>city=Lima
>state=Ohio
>zip=45805-l6l9 U.S.A.
> BurgneWC@ltc.tec.oh.us
ancestor=Isabelle de Courtenay
comments=I have traced my Courtenay-Courtney back to Isabelle de Courtenay, daughter of Sir Hugh de Courtenay (l248-l29l) and his wife,Eleanor le Despencer (l240-l328). I do have a Courtney lineage, but trying to trace this lineage has been frustrating because I have a Courtney lineage on both sides of my grandfather's and grandmother's genealogy. The lineage that I've traced is independent of my Courtney llineage and I can't predict how long it will take to trace it?
>fname=Walter Courtney
>lname=Burgner
>address1=2005 Ann Way Drive
>address2=
>city=Lima
>state=Ohio
>zip=45805-l6l9 U.S.A.
> BurgneWC@ltc.tec.oh.us
ancestor=Isabelle de Courtenay
comments=I have traced my Courtenay-Courtney back to Isabelle de Courtenay, daughter of Sir Hugh de Courtenay (l248-l29l) and his wife,Eleanor le Despencer (l240-l328). I do have a Courtney lineage, but trying to trace this lineage has been frustrating because I have a Courtney lineage on both sides of my grandfather's and grandmother's genealogy. The lineage that I've traced is independent of my Courtney llineage and I can't predict how long it will take to trace it?
Monday, January 11, 1999
Anne Courtenay,b.1573-d.bef. 1642
At 0945 PM 1/11/99 -0800, you wrote
>fname=Doris
>lname=Matheny
>address1=3409 Parker St.
>address2=
>city=Columbia
>state=Missouri
>zip=65202-1714
> Dtmathany@aol.com
>ancestor=Anne Courtenay,b.1573-d.bef. 1642
>comments=Anne Courtenay,(above) was born in Ladock,Cornwall,England.
>Her father was Peter Courtenay,b.1536-d.28 May,1606. Her Mother was Katherine Reskymer,b.1546-d.?, Her father was Wm.Reskim(no further knowledge of this >family). Anne Courtenay married Gilbert Holcombe,b.1565,Hole,Devonshire, Eng.,d.1633/1634,Pembroke,Wales. Their Son, Thomas Holcomb(e),b.1595/97,Pembrokeshire,Wales.Mar.14 May,1634, Dorchester,Suffolk,MA.d7Sept.1657,Winsor,Hartford, CT.
This Thomas was my immigrant ancestor, and 13 generations from him, my Father, John Wm. Holcomb,b.1895,d.1976.I do have the ancestors of Anne Courtenay, back to Hugh De Courtenay, b.14 Sept.1273,d.23 Dec.1340.
Any more info much appreciated, of the Courtenay line. Especially would like history of the family, their connections to the royal families of England, etc. I know the Holcomb(e) family also was a honorable one, going back to John Holcomb(e) who fought in the 3rd. Crusade, and won land where Holcombe Court,Devon, now stands.I feel great pride to be connected, to these two great families.
>Thank you,
>Doris V. Matheny
>fname=Doris
>lname=Matheny
>address1=3409 Parker St.
>address2=
>city=Columbia
>state=Missouri
>zip=65202-1714
> Dtmathany@aol.com
>ancestor=Anne Courtenay,b.1573-d.bef. 1642
>comments=Anne Courtenay,(above) was born in Ladock,Cornwall,England.
>Her father was Peter Courtenay,b.1536-d.28 May,1606. Her Mother was Katherine Reskymer,b.1546-d.?, Her father was Wm.Reskim(no further knowledge of this >family). Anne Courtenay married Gilbert Holcombe,b.1565,Hole,Devonshire, Eng.,d.1633/1634,Pembroke,Wales. Their Son, Thomas Holcomb(e),b.1595/97,Pembrokeshire,Wales.Mar.14 May,1634, Dorchester,Suffolk,MA.d7Sept.1657,Winsor,Hartford, CT.
This Thomas was my immigrant ancestor, and 13 generations from him, my Father, John Wm. Holcomb,b.1895,d.1976.I do have the ancestors of Anne Courtenay, back to Hugh De Courtenay, b.14 Sept.1273,d.23 Dec.1340.
Any more info much appreciated, of the Courtenay line. Especially would like history of the family, their connections to the royal families of England, etc. I know the Holcomb(e) family also was a honorable one, going back to John Holcomb(e) who fought in the 3rd. Crusade, and won land where Holcombe Court,Devon, now stands.I feel great pride to be connected, to these two great families.
>Thank you,
>Doris V. Matheny
Tuesday, July 21, 1998
Thomas Dewey Courtenay, born September 20.1898, Married Eleanor Christine Matheson on May 22, 1928. They lived in Chicago, Illinois.
At 1001 AM 7/21/98 -0700, you wrote
>fname=Lark
>lname=Miller
>address1=2910 Kimbrough Lane
>address2=
>city=Saint Joseph
>state=Missouri
>zip=64506-1258
>email= lucilla@ponyexpress
>comments=My mother's maiden name was Courtenay. Her father's name was Thomas Dewey Courtenay, born September 20.1898, Married Eleanor Christine Matheson on May 22, 1928. They lived in Chicago, Illinois. I do not know where Thomas was born but I can probably find out.
>fname=Lark
>lname=Miller
>address1=2910 Kimbrough Lane
>address2=
>city=Saint Joseph
>state=Missouri
>zip=64506-1258
>email= lucilla@ponyexpress
>comments=My mother's maiden name was Courtenay. Her father's name was Thomas Dewey Courtenay, born September 20.1898, Married Eleanor Christine Matheson on May 22, 1928. They lived in Chicago, Illinois. I do not know where Thomas was born but I can probably find out.
Tuesday, July 14, 1998
Frances Courtenay, born in England in 1682 but lived much of her life in Yorktown, Va.
At 12:52 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>fname: Nelson
>lname: Waller
>address1: c/o POB 2368
>address2:
>city: Anderson
>state: SC
>zip: 29622
>email: nwaller@carol.net
ancestor: My 7th great-grandmother, Frances Courtenay. ed John Norton and Sons, Merchants of London and Virginia. It used to be sold at the Library of Congress. Am interested to know the ancestry of the above named Frances Courtenay Tucker Nelson, and anything of interest.
comments: Frances Courtenay was born in England in 1682 but lived much of her life in Yorktown, Va. Her second husband was "Scotch" Tom Nelson, grandfather of the noted patriot. These people and others are covered in a ca. 1936 book by my grandmother, Frances Norton Mason, "John Norton and Sons, Merchants of London and Virginia," which used to be sold at the Library of Congress. Would like to know about her ancestry including any connections in the interesting online article by Brent Southgate. Am also interested in virtually any of her descendants. One such may have been a 1920s Arkansas author named Frances Courtenay Baylor whom I discovered online but about whom nothing is known except one book title.
>fname: Nelson
>lname: Waller
>address1: c/o POB 2368
>address2:
>city: Anderson
>state: SC
>zip: 29622
>email: nwaller@carol.net
ancestor: My 7th great-grandmother, Frances Courtenay. ed John Norton and Sons, Merchants of London and Virginia. It used to be sold at the Library of Congress. Am interested to know the ancestry of the above named Frances Courtenay Tucker Nelson, and anything of interest.
comments: Frances Courtenay was born in England in 1682 but lived much of her life in Yorktown, Va. Her second husband was "Scotch" Tom Nelson, grandfather of the noted patriot. These people and others are covered in a ca. 1936 book by my grandmother, Frances Norton Mason, "John Norton and Sons, Merchants of London and Virginia," which used to be sold at the Library of Congress. Would like to know about her ancestry including any connections in the interesting online article by Brent Southgate. Am also interested in virtually any of her descendants. One such may have been a 1920s Arkansas author named Frances Courtenay Baylor whom I discovered online but about whom nothing is known except one book title.
Thursday, June 25, 1998
Reginald Edward Trevor Courtenay, Brother - Michael Trevor Courtenay
At 0902 AM 6/25/98 -0500, you wrote
>fname Reginald
>lname Courtenay
>address1 PO Box 4344
>address2
>city Brits
>state Northwest, South Africa
>zip 0250
>email rcourtenay@anglo.co.za
>ancestor All
>comments Father - Reginald Edward Trevor Courtenay, Brother - Michael Trevor Courtenay
>fname Reginald
>lname Courtenay
>address1 PO Box 4344
>address2
>city Brits
>state Northwest, South Africa
>zip 0250
>email rcourtenay@anglo.co.za
>ancestor All
>comments Father - Reginald Edward Trevor Courtenay, Brother - Michael Trevor Courtenay
Tuesday, April 21, 1998
Any Courtenay Slade
At 11:28 AM 4/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>fname : Julian Courtenay
>lname : Brandon
>address1 : 813 Washington Street, #5
>address2 :
>city : Mountain View
>state : California
>zip : 94043
>email : jbrandon@engr.sgi.com
>ancestor : Any Courtenay Slade
>comments : My mother's maiden name is Slade. Everyone in her family has Courtenay as their middle name. The family has lived in the Isle of Wight since World War II.
>fname : Julian Courtenay
>lname : Brandon
>address1 : 813 Washington Street, #5
>address2 :
>city : Mountain View
>state : California
>zip : 94043
>email : jbrandon@engr.sgi.com
>ancestor : Any Courtenay Slade
>comments : My mother's maiden name is Slade. Everyone in her family has Courtenay as their middle name. The family has lived in the Isle of Wight since World War II.
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