Query 191: Sir Henry Irving Courtenay
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:01 AM> fname=Sean Og
> address1=Norbrook Laboratories station Works Newry N.Ireland
> state=COUNTY DOWN
> zip=BT35 6JP
> ancestor=Sir Henry Irving Courtenay
> comments=As far as we know Sir Henry Irving Courtenay was born in Newry he died in 1912 after that we know little, though someone thought he had founded a town in the US or Canada. We are currently engaged in erecting a Millennium monument to all those from Newry who went on to achieve greatness throughout the world and the NAME Sir Henry Irving Courtenay was suggested to us. If you can be of any help we would be very greatful.
> Many Thanks
> Sean og McAteer
From: "S. Courtenay"
> Thanks for your e-mail. Do you have any information about the Sir Henry
> Irving Courtenay (born Newry, died 1912) mentioned in the e-mail below (from
> Mr. McAteer, Newry)? I couldn't locate him in my database, although I
> haven't had a lot of time to research the name. Obviously he is directly
> descended from our Irish line.
> He must be Sir John Irving Courtenay, the SON of Edward HENRY Courtenay, as
> mentioned in the obituary notice below:
> Mr. McAteer must have the name wrong, as Sir John Irving Courtenay died in
> Oct., 1912.
> [Obituary notice - source unknown]
> COURTENAY - October 22, 1912 at 263a St.James Court, Buckingham Gate, Sir
> John Irving Courtenay, only son of the late Edward Henry Courtenay, late of
> Dublin, and Newry, Co. Down.
> [Note by Crossle:]
> John Irving Courtenay, Sir, a barrister and a prominent figure in the
> city of London. He is Chairman of the City Liberal Association. Was given a
> Knighthood on the occasion of the King's Birthday Nov. 1907. [Vieled |
> Uiele?] Irish [Times?] 9 Nov, 1907.
> Best regards,
> S. Courtenay
> ----------See TEXT HITS on ***IRVING*** below:
> Edward Henry COURTENAY [8th name on stone] was born about 1804. Died on 3
> Jun 1872 in Dublin, Ireland (at residence 28 Burlington Road). Died age 67.
> He married Charlotte Jane HARRIET on 29 Oct 1835 in Cheltenham. Charlotte
> Jane HARRIET was born about 1811. Died on 9 Jan 1898 in Dublin, Ireland.
> They had the following children:
> +165 i. Charlotte Mary COURTENAY
> 166 ii. Agnes Anna COURTENAY was born in Cheltenham. Unmarried.
> 167 iii. John ***IRVING*** COURTENAY was born about 1837. Died. Died
> +168 iv. Jane Adelaide Courtenay COURTENAY
> The first letter from Crossle, shown below, includes a transcription in
> Crossle's own hand of a letter Crossle had in his possession from Hon. Rev.
> Henry H. Courtenay to Mr. John ***IRVING*** Courtenay, of London. This
> transcribed letter from Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay appears to document the
> Newry, Ireland Courtenay line as being descended from Francis Courtenay m.
> 2nd Elizabeth Seymour.
> 1905 letter from Philip Crossle to William Ashmead Courtenay:
> 11 Trevor Hill, Newry
> Co Down.
> 12 Feb. 1905
> Dear Mr. Courtenay
> I have received the enclosed (which
> is a copy) from a mutual friend.
> You will see it is a letter from
> the Hon. Rev. Henry H. Courtenay to Mr. John
> ***Irving*** Courtenay of London, and is an
> acknowledgement of the relationship
> which exists between your branch with the
> parent stem at Powderham, and from which
> you see you are 28th in descent from the 1st English Courtenay.
> I do not know if the Hon. Rev. Henry H.
> Courtenay has altered his opinion since
> writing his letter of 18 Oct. 1904, but if not
> his acknowledgement of the connection, I
> take as a compliment to myself that my
> deductions are correct.
> I hope that your health keeps well, and
> that you do not find the winter too severe on
> your side of the world.
> Yours sincerely,
> Philip Crossle
> Hon. Wm. A. Courtenay
> Newry. U.S.A.
> #26 1. Charles Henry Courtenay m. Mary Henry
> b. 1770, d. 1809 d. 1852, aged 66
> Owned the brewery in Ballybot
> 1a. Their son Edward Henry Courtenay m. Charlotte J. H.
> b. 1807, and was the father of
> Sir John ***Irving*** Courtenay (Knighted 1907)
> (Nephew of CHC, Edward Thomas C. of
> Savannah, GA, rec'd legacy from CHC)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thatcher family" >
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 6:03 PM
> Subject: Courtenay relatives (Civil War)
> > Hi S. Courtenay,
> > Geo and his wife are writing an article about Civil War sabotage and are
> > interested in Thomas Edgeworth Courtenay. I think you can probably help
> > them more on this particular query than I can.
> > ----
> > Hi Geo,
> > The short answer is no. The T. E. Courtenay in the LA cavalry is almost
> > certainly not him. If he had enlisted in a regular unit anywhere, it most
> > likely would have been in Mississippi, where his brother, William Forrest
> > Courtenay, had been appointed aide-de-camp to the Commander in Chief of
> > the Mississippi Militia in 1846 (2 years before his death in 1848).
> > Thomas Edgeworth's only close family in America were his brother William
> > (who died in 1848) and his brother Charles, who went to California with
> > the '49ers. However, he had more distant cousins in America who shared a
> > common ancestor, Edward Courtenay "of Lisk" in Ireland. The most prominent was
> > probably William Ashmead Courtenay, who was a Confederate Officer and
> > later Mayor of Charleston, S.C. TEC and WAC knew each other and there is one
> > letter from WAC to TEC (written after the war).
> > I am forwarding your letter to [S. Courtenay], who is descended from
> > William Ashmead and is also one of the corresponding secretaries in the
> > U.S. for the Courtenay Society. He is in a better position than I to either
> > tell you about the men you mention, or to put in you touch with their
> > descendants, if possible.
> > One of the resources on his web site is a book of genealogical research
> > compiled by an Irish researcher in 1910 at the behest of William Ashmead.
> > This book can be downloaded as a pdf (Acrobat) file. [S. Courtenay] has added
> > several appendices to the book including information about William Ashmead
> > and a transcription of a memorial marker put up to several of William
> > Ashmead's relatives who served in the Confederacy. I have taken the
> > liberty of extracting the appendix as a separate (and therefore much smaller) pdf
> > file, which I am mailing separately. You can download the entire file
> > from his web site. He also has links to other Courtenay family members,
> > history, and other info.
> > Tom
> > These are the questions I wanted to send the Courtenay family, could
> > you send them on to them?:
> > >> Are these people relatives of Thomas E. Courtenay?
> > >> All in Louisville, Kentucky, Jefferson County:
> > >>
> > >> Robert Graham Courtenay married to Annie Christian Howard
> > >> 13 Oct 1842
> > >>
> > >> their children;
> > >>
> > >> Julia Christian Courtenay born 8 Jan 1844
> > >> Henry Courtenay born 10 Jan 1846
> > >> Robert Martin Courtenay born 28 Nov 1848
> > >> Thomas Anderson Courtenay born 20 June 1850
> > >> Helen Martin Courtenay born 12 Nov 1852
> > >> Emma Courtenay born 25 Aug 1854
> > >> Lewis Rogers Courtnay born 23 May 1857
> > >> William Howard Courtenay born 30 July 1858
> > >>
> > >> The 1890 Louisville City Directory shows; Annie C. Courtenay, widow
> > >> Robert G.; and Lewis R. Courtenay ;T. A. Courtenay;William H. Courtenay; and L.
> > >> R. Courtenay;.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> During the Civil War, are any of these relatives?
> > >>
> > >> Corp. Henson Courtenay, 1st Missouri Cav.
> > >>
> > >> Capt. John C. Courtenay, Co. B 7th Missouri Inf.
> > >>
> > >> and, is T. E. Courtenay, Robinson's Co. 1 Louisiana Cavalry, the Thomas
> > > Edgeworth Courtenay we're talking about?
> > --
> > Tom Thatcher
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 6:35 AM> fname=Sean Og
> address1=Norbrook Laboratories
> address2=Station Works
> state=Co. Down
> zip=BT35 6JP
> ancestor=Courtenays of Newry SC USA
> comments=Thank you very much for your original mail, it has been a help to me, now that i have got the Sir John Irving Courtenay, I am very interested in the Courtenays who left Newry and settled at Charleston in 1791. My interest is further heightened by the letter from Philip Crossle to WM.A. Courtenay at an address Newry. USA. One of the lines I was working on was that a brach of the Courtenay family originally from Newry in Ireland founded a town called Newry in the USA. Could this be possible. I would be very greatful if you can help as I would like to recognise the role of the Courtenay family in Newry.